The Transformative Power of Curiosity - A Conversation with Scott Shigeoka (Ep. 38)
Curiosity has been a common theme in this podcast. Conflict experts like my guests Amanda Ripley, Monica Guzman, and Peter Coleman say being curious and less judgmental is often a better way out of toxic conflict than making stronger arguments or presenting more facts. And, as we heard from our recent guest, Tim Shriver, it’s a much better alternative than treating one’s adversaries with contempt, which often makes matters worse. “Contempt only makes an enemy for your cause,” he says.
But how does curiosity work? How can we be curious about people whose perspectives we reject? What makes us incurious? I have not encountered anyone more qualified to answer these questions than Scott Shigeoka. Scott has devoted decades thinking about, studying, and talking with people about curiosity, and he recently wrote a book on the subject called Seek - How Curiosity Can Transform Your Life and Change the World. His study of the concept leads him to distinguish between shallow and deep curiosity, and to warn readers about “predatory curiosity” and “performative curiosity.”
In this episode, Scott explains why curiosity is so powerful, not just as a way out of toxic conflict but as a path to understanding the world and others on a deeper level. For these reasons, it’s something that must be cultivated in schools.
One of the questions I was curious about is, What makes students, or all of us for that matter, incurious? What gets in the way? Are some of us simply born to be more curious, or can it be taught? Can the desire to understand be extinguished? Tune in to hear Scott’s answers to these questions and his reflections on the various ways curiosity can spark deeper learning and strengthen our schools.
Featured Guest:
Scott Shigeoka is an internationally recognized curiosity expert, TED speaker, and the award-winning author of Seek: How Curiosity Can Transform Your Life and Change the World. His work focuses on how we can strengthen our well-being and relationships, including at UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center and through his groundbreaking courses at the University of Texas at Austin. He is also a screenwriter, playwright, and artist.
Related Content:
Seek: How Curiosity Can Transform Your Life and Change the World, by Scott Shigeoka
Beyond Differences (This is the organization that promotes the No One Eats Alone program)
Hear Journalist Monica Guzman talk about curiosity in Calming the Culture Wars in our Schools with Journalist Monica Guzman (Ep. 9)
Hear a nationally acclaimed golf teacher talk about curiosity in Fred Shoemaker's Wisdom about Teaching, Learning, and Life
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